Wednesday, July 09, 2014

2014 Yamaha FJR1300 long term review (updated 2015 and 2016)

Possibly the most in depth review of the current series Yamaha FJR1300 which covers 2013 up to 2016 with only minor changes.

I have now completed a few tours and (30,000km as of June 2016) on a 2014 FJR1300 and feel able to give a detailed review of the bike and talk about some its strengths and weaknesses. I feel the bikes character has never really been fully explored in the other brief magazine reviews online that seem mostly based on short rides and are rehashed press releases.

Please bear in mind my words relate to how the motorcycle fits my body and my riding style which is going to be unique based on my experiences and current point in life – what suits you is going to be equally unique. Twisty roads here are nothing like what people consider twisty roads in North America. Switchback one lane mountain turns or decreasing radius off camber corners are the norm. Most twisty roads here are 2nd gear, some 1st gear, if I shift up to 3rd I am on what in Japan would be called a wide sweeping road. If I am not using the nationwide tollroad highway network then I am unlikely to use 4th or 5th gear in a days riding – no kidding. So nothing at all like the USA Pacific Coast highway one or even close to any of the roads I have ridden in my tour of the Northwest states and BC Canada. Lastly this is a ongoing conversation about my journey with the motorcycle not a static one day review meant to sit comfortably with everyone. I am going to come to change my views for better or worse over time and this review is dynamic being updated while I own the bike.

First a recap how I came to currently be riding a FJR1300. (Feel free to skip down to the beginning of the review titled Drivetrain) and a note that this review is posted to Motorcycle Paradise Blog if you are reading this elsewhere then follow the link for the original.

After owning a series of naked/standard bikes I moved to Japan with a clean slate I got to thinking what sort of riding I would be doing in the future (edit - this is before I explored the countryside and realised how small and narrow many roads are) and decided I would be focusing on tours of a few days or more. As much as I could tour on any motorcycle I decided that it might be a perfect time in my life to try something built specifically for this purpose.

Thinking of touring three things came to mind I would like in a new motorcycle. Electronic cruise control was number one. If you have never experienced it you have no idea how good it is on long tours but wanting this eliminated the majority of  motorcycles on sale. Decent protection from cold wind was next on my mind as the best riding seasons here are Spring and Autumn when temps are still cold and days are sometimes fine. That really eliminated all the adventure bikes from my shopping list since I find bikini screens and half fairings fitted to these bikes to be poor at deflecting wind. In my experience riding a Versys, Caponord and Vstrom I’d just as soon have a full naked bike as the buffeting and turbulence I experienced on those adventures bikes was too annoying. Yes you can fit a huge screen but then in the heavy Japan traffic even in Spring or Autumn you will likely start to bake and often the oversized screens have wind vacuum issues. Lastly I need reasonable cornering clearance, not that I carve corners these days but with the couple of sporty cruisers I have test ridden I was all too soon grinding parts so I eliminated the touring cruiser motorcycles. So (at the time of first writing) I was left the narrow field of the BMW R1200RT, BMW K1600GT, Triumph Trophy, Yamaha FJR1300 and Honda Goldwing. 

These motorcycles are all rather large but there is no smaller bike with the combination desired. I half had my mind made up to get a BMW R1200RT. It is a bike that I had previously ridden in North America and is the lightest of the bunch but the one I rented had some electrical faults that plagued the screen and cruise control and heated grips. That made me examine the brands reliability and it was hard to work out on the net if the brand has poor reliability or simply a lot of haters. Still many people are fans so I took a trip to my local BMW dealer and there lost interest totally after encountering a bunch of rude people with elitist bad attitude. The Yamaha shop on other hand was full of down to earth people who made me feel really at ease and confident to purchase from. That really was a big part of swaying me away from the BMW along with high confidence about Yamaha reliability and the icing was significant price difference although I had no set budget and a fully optioned RT was and still is within my means should I wish.

I chose the Japan designated FJR 1300A model without the electronic gear shift or electronic suspension. I played with electronic suspension on the R1200RT I previously rented and after a couple days found where I wanted it then never changed it the rest of the tour. I am not the sort of rider who needs to alter suspension, one middle of the road setting suits me all the time. After riding dirt bikes I simply lost my sensitivity regarding suspension, long as it is compliant for the bumps. I would however consider it in Australia where the roads can be terrible but here they are much better condition so I thought this to be unnecessary weight on an already heavy bike. Not having a clutch does not save weight, the paddle shift setup adds a bit more but my concern was with a heavy motorcycle how low speed maneuvering would be. I ride scooters all the time in SE Asia and at car park speed on and off the throttle the automatic clutch take up is easy as a push bike to balance being so light but I simply could not picture this being the same on a large heavy machine. The reviews of the electronic shift are hard to find and then the usual moto journalism lacking any details.

Even without those two electronic features there is still a lot of technology. You can read about specs galore elsewhere on the net as most reviews seem full of that but very short on actual ‘bike review’.

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Drive train

The 1300cc engine is powerful and turbine smooth up to 4000rpm where it gets a mild buzz that you feel in the bars. I rarely exceed this rev point with local speed limits and as there is ample torque available from 1000rpm. 2000-4000rpm covers 90 percent of the riding I do on backroads and minor highways. People react differently to vibrations on different types of engines. Some people dislike inline four buzz, some dislike v-twin thump, others never notice either but if you are someone who is sensitive to buzz then I rate the FJR’s higher rpm engine buzz very low but it is certainly not without buzz. It could be shifted up the rev range further perhaps by adding oversized heavy bar ends if you sit on higher speeds on the freeway in your country. Actually if Yamaha made the bars hard rubber isolated mounting like Honda does then the buzz might disappear? (2016 notepad. Hoping back on the FJR after riding the 3 cylinder MT-09 the engine seems so silky smooth compared to the inline 3 raspy engine but at higher speeds sitting at 5000rpm or more then buzz is noticeable and I presume this is why people in USA with the 80 mph speed limits instead of 60 mph here wanted a higher final drive ratio)

Passing anything on the FJR is just a twist of the throttle in any gear, even lumbering along in 4th gear 2000rpm it will surge forward. The engine only needs regular fuel not premium. Using premium Vs regular sees no noticeable power or fuel economy difference in my back to back full tank comparisons which is a strong point when premium fuel is much more expensive. (Note the engine computer is set for regular not premium on this Japan model but overseas might be different) Once run in the engine consumes an average of 5.0 litre per 100km which is really very good considering the size and power. Smaller engines I have used often such as the 650 parallel twin from Kawasaki do not achieve any better economy so this is an excellent result, naturally work the engine harder and that sort of economy will vanish. (2016 notepad - still says in the trip computer it is getting 5.0l per 100km and 6.0 per 100km at 130/140kph – which is perhaps the highway speed more common for this bike in other countries but I see myself on reserve by low 300km distance or 350km so it is using at least 25% more fuel than the computer is saying and I am very gentle with throttle. I presume this the frequent traffic/city driving that ruins the fuel economy that the computer is not displaying accurately.) 

There are two engine modes Touring and Sport however the power output is said by owners forums to be the same either mode. The difference is the throttle needs to be turned more in touring mode and the initial power is softer. City mode would be a good name as it makes it easier in the lower gears in stop start traffic which can be snatchy in Sport mode. Once out of town on the open road the touring mode can become slightly fatiguing with the extended twist of the wrist. (2016 notepad – I have gotten used to the extra twist and much prefer the fueling delivered on tour mode so have not been using sport mode at all which I now find abrupt). Oddly the throttle has a overly firm return spring, something I see first reported back in 2006 by the editor of AMCN magazine. Now that it is purely electronic ride by wire throttle with no mechanical apparatus there is no reason for this but you will adjust and can turn the cruise on for a ‘wrist rest’.

In Japan everything motoring related is about hybrid or eco driving (you think just Prius is hybrid - here every car is a hybrid and recently many plug in vehicles as now everywhere has charge points) it would have been cool from a local point of view if the electronic shift flagship model had perhaps some eco fuel save feature, what you get is Eco displayed in the dash when you are riding it normally which disappears if you use the throttle more generously. I am always surprised at the push back from motorcycle press to safety and economy innovations on motorcycles. They seem solely focused on racetrack performance and very out of touch with real road riders. But then the motorcycle press has for as long as I can recall been made up entirely of ex motorcycle racers. We have them to thank for being fed press releases masquerading as reviews and any comparison being won by the most powerful bike regardless. But I digress. 2016 notepad – the Eco mode only displays up to 4000rpm so riding in countries with highway speeds above 100kph/60mph may not be able to see this.

The FJR engine sound track in my opinion is pretty good. Yamaha have done a nice enough job with the exhaust which while obviously meeting the required noise limits offers a good (for standard mufflers) sound feedback to the rider perhaps helped by having two larger mufflers. The twin mufflers give a nice balanced look but I’d prefer a weight saving of just one if it still worked as well. (2016 notepad – really love the sound of the bike as it winds up even at the low rpm range I mostly am in it has nice whine to the inline four.) 

Journalists, perhaps burdened with finding something irrelevant to criticise, have been going on and on about the gear box not having a 6th gear. All you are getting with another gear is a further ratio split on the way to top not a whole new overdrive as 5th gear already was that. More shifting is completely unnecessary and actually a negative on an engine with this much torque. You want to be able to enjoy that, not have to always be shifting up or down, why have a big lazy torquey engine then have close ratios of a six speed that forces constant shifting. On the FJR I often shift from 1st to 3rd immediately leaving the lights (2016 notepad - or I start in 2nd gear) and I simply leave the bike in 3rd whole time and rarely use 4th, then 5th is highway only. So I personally cannot see what the fuss is but throw enough mud and some will stick. (I see Yamaha have changed to a 6 speed for 2016 caving in to the press. The final drive is slightly higher, could not be much or the bike would never see 6th gear on 100kph highways as rpm would be too low, anyway an extra gear on a bike that already had one too many at 5)

That aside the gearbox itself is notchy to shift, maybe it has a very positive engagement is a nicer way to put it. Click into 1st at the lights results in a ker-thud and slight jerk of the bike. That is perhaps the clutch not the box per se. I was calling the gearbox agricultural initially but it is fine and shifts precise and the issue is this clutch… (Update 2016 – I really have come to like the way the gearbox shifts now that it has worn in, it has become smooth yet still positive and precise. The clutch however I dislike as I will elaborate.) 

The clutch is bit old school in the amount of effort needed to operate. It is no exaggeration one of the heaviest hydraulic motorcycle clutches I have experienced. I need to always put the bike in neutral when stopped in traffic as after a few hours riding I cannot comfortably hold the clutch in for any length of time. By the end of a long ride day I sometimes groan when coming to a red light as it means having to operate the clutch when my wrist is already fatigued from doing so all day. A larger more modern master cylinder is desperately needed. (Update 2016, seems the issue may actually have been clutch springs since the 2016 model has had these replaced with lighter items so future bikes will not have this. I now shift as much as possible not using the clutch, just matching the revs and putting pressure on the gear lever at the appropriate time)

Final drive is via shaft which for me is good as I dislike the noise and mess of a chain. A belt drive for me is nicer still since it has zero lash. When I owned my Buells this was something I loved but there was always a question mark about belt reliability. I can just ignore the lash with the shaft drive but it is certainly there and at times I notice it a lot. Some people might find it bothersome but all these big tourers are shaft drive. (2016 notepad – well there certainly is something to be said about the throttle feeling connected with chain and even more so with belt compared to shaft drives, the on off lag and the sound of the drive taking up the slack can bug me but no mess, no lubing, no new chain all the time…)

Brakes are linked with ABS. I find they need a strong pull on the lever to slow the bike down. They do not always deliver as much stopping power as I would like. This may very well be simply due to the mass of this 296kg kerb weight bike in motion but I would like the hand brake to require little less effort. I have purchased aftermarket levers that can be adjusted to sit closer to the bars thus provide more leverage than the factory items which sat very far away at their closest adjustment. This has helped reduce effort slightly. (for clutch lever too) When needed the brakes do haul the bike down but not as good as they should. (2016 notepad – ok the issue is not all the pistons in the front brakes are activated when you use the front brake lever. You have to also apply the foot rear brake which then lets the other front brake pistons activate in the calibers to apply full braking. No I am not making this up and it has to be one of the stupidest things I have come across on a motorcycle. Anyone who has done advanced rider training courses would have had it drummed in not to use the rear brake but here Yamaha are forcing you to unlearn that and apply the rear brake just to get normal front brake force, this is such a stupid dangerous thing and huge negative feature for me)

Ergonomics

Seating is excellent. The seat is height adjustable and this was a feature I was looking forward too. I am 6’ and in the high position I find the distance to the pegs is very comfortable for all day riding. Much like BMW, Yamaha offer a ‘touring’ seat as an optional extra which is annoying considering you are buying their ‘touring’ motorcycle however the standard seat is quite good over bumps and I can easy do a couple hours on the bike before thinking of a rest. The wide tank splays your legs a little but I found I soon adjusted to this and rate the seating as near perfect for me. (Update 2015 – I do wish now the seat was heated like the BMW. The standard seat is very comfortable)

The position of the handle bars is poor for me. I have long arms and am 6 foot but they are too far forward and lower than one would expect. This puts the rider into a odd semi sports bike ride position. The bars can be adjusted in 3 positions which I assumed would bring them back to a more standard position however the amount of adjustment allowed turned out to be so small it was of little benefit. The bike needs a fair bit of bar input to turn in and hold a line (more on this later) so after a couple of extended rides with a long stretch to the bars and lacking leverage I knew this was really a problem for me as I find leaning forward uncomfortable and unnecessary away from a race track.

I installed a bar riser plate to bring the bars up 25mm and back 40mm which given my arm length has them almost back to a neutral position but they could still come back maybe another 15mm. I have not seen another FJR on the roads here in Japan yet (Update 2016- I have seen two now in two years) and the bars probably are the main reason as very few Japanese guys would have the reach needed. The dealer told me it was first FJR he has sold in long time and that has to be due to the ergonomics as there are plenty of big bikes on the road here, the Japanese market only Honda CB1300 is a very popular touring bike here but it has conventional bars set at regular distance to the rider. Perhaps the lead designer of the FJR is built like a Sumo. Actually I now presume the FJR is actually designed in the USA for the USA much like Honda did with the Gold Wing.

Wind protection is close to spot on. The fairing and screen strike the perfect balance between protection from cold air and allowing some breeze to the rider in summer. The FJR design team might have been sitting on their hands as far as some areas but aerodynamics would appear to being something that has benefitted from a long series run. Some reviews have commented that the riders hands are not completely shielded from wind like the other bikes in this range however I think that is one of the FJRs good points. In summer the rider can still get some air to his hands and into his jacket sleeves from the cuffs to keep arms cool which makes a big difference to rider comfort. In winter you can always add wind guards or those clip on bar end muffs to completely shield your gloves and cuff area but you cannot remove those wide fairing extension mirrors on the RT that block the wind. In the high temperatures I experienced in California my arms got heat rash riding the R1200RT because so little air reached them. 

The electric screen is excellent. Lowered it allows good air flow in summer and raised it stops cold wind very effectively with almost no turbulence, I can even ride with my visor up at lower speeds. The screen is one of the best feature of the FJR and one I am constantly using. During a ride it can start down in city traffic and then raised on highway returning down when slowly riding in quiet mountain back roads to feel a the cool air then raised if really up high where the air  can get cold. I don’t need so much focus on my riding gear as I can control the temperature by the screen and I get no strong buffeting turbulence unlike the short screens on adventure bikes but YMMV. Also handy in rain providing some protection when on the move. (2016 notepad – because it is often cold riding here I actually have come to want a little more wind protection but that would mean the bike working less well when it warms up so I think the balance is a very difficult one and perhaps the current setup up is right all things considered so I have stuck with the standard screen)

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The instrumentation or dash is a generous array and one of the best I have encountered on any motorcycle. Made up of two LCD multi readout screens and one analogue tacho. On power up the LCD on the right displays an animation using the FJR logo and then read outs as per your selection from the multifunction trip computer. (2016 Update – note the info the trip computer displays is custom set by you over three separate screens, I have on my main screen km range to empty, ambient temperature <that temp is unfortunately not accurate> and trip time which I like to review to make sure I stop often when touring) You can also see info on the heated grips, electric screen here. The main screen has fuel, speed, drive mode, gear indicator, clock and the usual warning lights (also cruise control lights). I find no need to look at the tacho with the huge torque on tap. Actually after my first couple of years riding I have never looked much at rpm or speedometer once out of urban zones. Maybe that comes from my time riding motocross where you have no gauges but the FJR instrumentation is well thought out and so easy to see. By comparison I was never sure what speed I was doing on the BMW, the numbers are so small that I would need to have my reading glasses on to make them out but I only wear glasses for close up so could not ride with them on even if I wanted to. I notice the new RT has even smaller numbers, a very poor design for the target 40+ year old market. (2016 notepad – even though I do not spend much time looking at the dash when I ride other bikes lately with small limited readouts I really miss the FJR’s large and comprehensive display, it it a nice place to be.

Unsure if global models have these features but the Japan domestic one has a hazard lights switch located where the starter button would normally be and this is very handy item that I use when stopping to take a quick photo on side of road. The starter has been incorporated into the large power off button on the right hand side controls. This is a brilliant idea, the switch is a rocker that you flip down to start the bike and it then returns to run mode. These power off switches are really a legacy item from old bikes where you kick started them so it is nice to see Yamaha think how to actually make better use of the limited handle bar space and try drag motorcycles into the current century. 

On the road

The FJR is a heavy motorcycle which any buyer would be well aware of however the issue for me has proved to be the weight does not disappear once moving as is so often said about other large bikes. The weight is not positioned low making the bike top heavy. For example all 25 litres fuel seems to be sitting up high and wide. Then it’s large car size battery is placed in the upper fairing on the right hand side next to the dash. (yes really) Possibly the worst place it and FJR’s wiring harness could be located for mass centralization. Just while I am talking of this, access to the battery and fuses is complicated requiring disassembly of the some of the dash panels which took me over 2 hours the first time I used a mini compressor in the power outlet and blew the fuse (which is only low amp for USB devices). 

The lack of mass centralization shows on the road. If I compare to the R1200RT the FJR is never as light to steer. (the RT is 25kg lighter for a start but also I think positions the weight much lower) The FJR requires significant input to initiate turn in which is hard to achieve with the bars so far away from the rider. It also does not always want to hold a lean angle seeking to understeer requiring the rider to keep applying pressure to hold a line. It is not due to brake use or off camber roads or under inflated tyres as the owners forums would try and tell you, I’ve tried all tyre pressure suggestions (and now 4 brands of tyres) and this is not the issue. It is very noticeable at lower speeds where the bike fights hard to stand up and run straight. I have never encountered a bike that hates holding a lean angle as much as the FJR.

As I clock up more hours on board I start to detect that when the fuel load drops to 70 % you notice a change and then below 50% the bike steers better. So COG and weight and wheelbase and steering angle are the main attributes I will be looking at. When wearing new tyres the problem is less noticeable but as the tyres wear the bike becomes significantly slower to steer. Different tyres are an obvious place to look for improvements to the way it steers as well.

There is a separate chapter at the bottom of this review on my progress in making the FJR1300 steer better. I have altered the steering angle at the front and rear and discovered the way 4 different tyre choices affect this motorcycle to achieve some gains.

The suspension does a fair job soaking up bumps, dampening is not as plush as the BMW but the electronic suspension model FJR might be a match. For the majority of roads here it is fine but the forks high speed compression damping is little harsh so depending on your road conditions this could be annoying. In Australia you should option the electronic suspension no doubt about it. The weight of the bike can sometimes overwhelm the front end but it is a heavy tourer so ride with that in mind and it is fine and on sweepers ground can be covered as quick as I would want to ride any bike on public roads these days however the tight corners the FJR is a bit big and I often I am back to car cornering speed as the bike is simply too heavy in the tight corners. 2016 notepad, the high speed dampening on the forks is actually quite poor, I would get the valves improved if I was back home with access to place that can do this)

The FJR has a huge 25 litre fuel tank and range is 400km or more on highway. It is terrific to have long range and something I enjoy when touring, I can go the day not needing to refuel. It is not hard to make rest stops and refuels coincide as I have done for years with small fuel tanks but it is nice to not have to and to not be constantly looking at the fuel gauge/odometer and doing the maths on the next refuel all the time. It is a burden lifted from my shoulders when riding and lets me enjoy the ride all the more. The down side however is the fuel tank does not extend down low or under the seat to lower the COG so it is a lot of fuel sitting up high and when you have a full tank it affects steering as already mentioned. The tank shape is very wide which splays your legs wide. You get used to this but need long legs to be able to hold the bike up at standstill.

(Update 2015 - Note reversing the bike can be difficult. The tank splays the legs a lot when your legs are angled forward to get leverage needed to push the weight of the bike backwards. At this point you also have less traction on the ground. I have already lost grip and balance once twice and then the weight of the FJR and high COG was more than I could hold so it ended up on it’s side. No damage except few scratches which I guess shows how tough it is but shorter legs would find it a little challenging at times to reverse due to tank design and mass and you really need to be careful when parking if at all on a slope must stop and back in or you may struggle to get the bike back out as no reverse gear unlike the Gold Wing)

I usually never ride at night, just too dangerous with wildlife in Australia but here there is less risk and I found myself stuck an hour from my hotel in the mountains as the last light faded. The FJR headlights are large but like most bikes do not light up the road ahead well when cornering. This is not a complaint, I mention it simply because it’s main rival BMW R1200RT is one of the few bikes sold that does have good lighting. I recall the last time I was caught out at night on the road between Ebor and Armidale in NSW. My mates MT-01 (with tiny fuel tank) had one of those stupid spring clip on fuel lines that have the habit of popping off when the o-ring gets worn and he lost fuel and ran out. I went ahead to fetch fuel but by the time we were on the road again it was pitch black in the ‘Aussie bush’. In comparison to the FJR the HID lights I had installed to my bike back then were amazing, both the view distance on high and the clarity of vision so you could fit similar to the FJR if needed. (Update I see Yamaha have updated FJR to full LED lighting for 2016)

The heated grips work very well. They have three levels of heat which are all sensible and useable unlike some grips which go from nothing to red hot in one setting. They are controlled within the multi function menus available to rider via the mode button on the left handle bar and this system makes it very easy to see what things are set to and move between the functions while riding. (Update 2015 – I never knew your can set the heat for each of the 3 settings custom to how you want – this is really great)

The electronic cruise control feature I wanted so much that it limited my candidates is wonderful even if so far I don’t use it as often as I expected. It would be so much better if it was laser controlled to vary the speed like cars now have but given the push back on motorcycle tech that may take another 20 years to migrate this from cars. An oddity for Japan models is the cruise control speed is capped at 108 kph. The speedo at an indicated 108 kph is 8 kph fast so actual speed cap is 100 kph. Now this isn’t really a issue for me as the national expressway highest speed is 100kph (but very often reduced to just 80kph) and being in a foreign land I don’t want any interaction with police so I just set it for 108 (actual 100) and kick back mostly and limit my time on expressways. If I wanted to cover ground quicker there is always some new big Lexus screaming along who can act as a ‘blocker’ for those tailing safely behind. The FJR actually works fantastic on the expressway at 130-140kph, I suspect that is the speed it would be used at on USA interstates.

And that is where the FJR works best. The FJR is enormously comfortable crunching miles. With the screen up and cruise set it almost rides itself home. You have a bike that on the expressway offers comfort levels of a maxi tourer (except perhaps the long reach to the bars) then off the expressway you return to a bike that is more sporting. How sporting you find it off the expressway depends on the roads and your point of view. Make no mistake it is still a heavy big bike despite what some FJR owners may try tell you. Sweeping corner type roads that North Americans call twisty roads the bike works very well. Sharp corners and tight switchbacks like Europe and Japan call twisty roads and it is not as good. But there is perhaps no motorcycle that does everything perfectly so it is more what is most important to you in your environment and stage of motorcycle riding life. What balance of freeway Vs corners do you have. Is it a long ride to and from the canyons/mountains - the FJR will cover that with ease and might be good choice. Here in Japan on some of the really tighter mountain roads it is too big – but on many back roads here a 250-400cc road trail bike is ideal but then that sort of bike is not comfortable long distance nor good on the highway nor offering protection from wind and rain.

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Fit and finish

The paint in Dusty Grey finish as it is called here looks a bit better in real life than in photos and while not as nice as the similar tone ‘Atomic Silver’ Toyota put on their Lexus cars it is a reasonably good finish but can appear dull for reasons I do not understand. Update – see the difference I was talking about, so close in tone yet look at how one is dull. Oh well minor detail really. I would buy one in primer grey if Yamaha could be bothered to reduce the bikes weight.

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The other option here was chocolate brown metallic paint, a colour popular on many small cars in Japan. (2016 now White) Plastics and panel alignment seems tight everywhere however the heel plates became lightly marked after a few months but that is not uncommon riding any bike in boots they rub together and this could be mostly buffed out I think. The screen had some slight marks but a few applications of plexus plastic cleaner returned it to very clear. Update 2015/2016 – everything still fine with fit and finish. The heel plates have not scuffed anymore and no other signs of wear. I am impressed with the build quality of this bike, all the plastics still look like new and I only wash it a couple times a year and it lives under a plastic cover not inside a dry garage so top marks to Yamaha in this department.

Looks are very subjective. I personally like the classic naked bike look of the 60’s like the CB750. New bikes I like looks wise are models such as the Moto Guzzi V7 or CB11100EX but these are not as good for touring in often cool or cold air so as stated in the beginning I chose the FJR for function not form. But I think it is slightly better looking than the BMW R1200RT.

There are two storage areas under the seats, one looks suspiciously like the original battery compartment. There is also a glove box in the left hand side that central locks with the ignition off and contains a power outlet but the glove box is very small. It’s actually too small to be of much use. You cannot fit a pair of gloves in it so I should not call it a glove box. I would love to put my camera in there but it won’t fit so it ends up unused, I just keep a small visor cleaning cloth inside. (2016 notepad – I use this compartment for toll road tickets, very handy to drop them in there rather than fiddle about to put into a pocket at the toll gate but I wish it was a little larger inside as then it would be much more versatile.)

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I have the factory Yamaha panniers which size wise I find strike a good balance and hold plenty without making the bike too wide. They operate by the same key and look quite stylish as far as luggage goes. The panniers are a feature I thought I needed for long tours but I managed to learn to travel light when going overseas for rides so they end up underutilized. I put my picnic lunches in one side, I have a cooler bag and folding stool and drink holder as I often stop in a road side rest area or view point for lunch. I can carry wet gear, tyre repair and 12 volt compressor and two seasons of gloves in other pannier and both still have ample space left. I think where security is more of an issue the panniers would easy hold helmet and jacket when off the bike (yes tested this and they do). Here in Japan you can leave anything on the bike anywhere and it will be there when you return as there is no petty crime. (Update 2015 – been in plenty of rain and nothing has gotten wet so would seem the panniers are waterproof which is great as many are not. I might start using these more instead of my bag on the rear seat since it leaked water twice on recent tours.)

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The front has a LED daytime running light bar but during daytime you simply can hardly notice it when the lights are also on, which in most countries is all the time hardwired. (see above) It looks very stylish on by itself in low light. Good on Yamaha for trying that at least. The headlights have twin height adjustment knobs in the dash. Kind of elaborate and no doubt heavy mechanism but with the dash and a lot of plastics in the way it would be difficult to adjust the headlights manually. I like that the FJR has hazard lights, I use them all the time when taking photos, first time to find this feature on a motorcycle and makes me wonder why it is not standard on all. In Japan seems you can have the front indicators wired on always to act as marker lights and I regret not getting this done by the dealer as it would have assisted with being seen but a set of LED driving lights mounted lower on fork legs would be easy to fit and I see bikes with this seem to really be much more noticeable on the roads.  (Update – I see the 2016 model has lost the daytime running light bar but gained turn lights) 

There are adjustable side panels in the fairing which you are lead to think offers the rider the option to deflect additional wind in winter however all these do according to the manual is let you undo them if riding in very hot conditions for the sake of engine cooling. If they had some cable control like the headlights to alter the wind for further protection in winter then would be a unique feature for the FJR but as of writing I am not able to find any meaningful purpose to them but perhaps being USA designed these are for California where it can reach 46 degrees as I experienced when there.

Summary

The FJR has many great points. I think it is a superb long distance bike and also good for moderately curvy road riding. I can see why it is very popular in North America and would suit the roads I toured on there very well. Engine has good torque and is fuel efficient as well as not requiring premium gas adds to the economy. With cruise control, comfortable seating with good cockpit aerodynamics it is a nice place to be on the open road.

It is heavier and slower steering than the BMW R1200RT. Most likely due to the higher COG, especially with a full fuel load but there are other factors at work too such as length. It would seem to be designed to be very stable which matches the feel most USA riders want judging by what is written on the owners forums. On sweeping roads that works fine but on Japanese tight corner roads it can feel too top heavy and hard to turn at times. Ultimately the sort of roads you ride or country you live in will decide if the FJR works well for you. It would be perfect in North America and much of Australia but here occasionally limits the roads I enjoy riding. 

My other issues are just my own personal preference. The clutch and brake controls and the handlebar positions may not bother anyone else. 

The FJR is known as a super reliable bike, something that was a strong attraction for me and this reliability does not come burdened with expensive frequent servicing. If you can forego the electric shifting gearbox and set up your suspension manually the price of the A spec model is almost 1/2 it’s European rivals here which is a lot of icing on the reliability cake. That was not the decisive factor for me however the money saved will pay for all my touring and ownership costs if I can come to live with it. It is certainly a motorcycle worth considering if you are a touring rider.    

Afterword

I guess all this reads a bit different to motorcycle magazines and forums. Journalists and publishers need to tread carefully with reviews if they want to keep working with that manufacturer so you won’t find too much detail there. Online zines have ‘reviews’ which read like press releases and blogs are increasingly showing paid articles. Honest feedback has been diluted down to a few non committal lines. Even forums are not independent these days, most are controlled by people with a financial interest. I was asked to leave the FJR owners forum because I started asking things they did not want published. But as I stated at the top, this is about my ownership journey.

Making the FJR1300 steer better, my progress so far…

Update 1. I first switched to Bridgestone BT023 from Metzeler Z8 tyres. The Z8’s the bike came with felt ok in the dry when new but the lifespan was very poor. Speaking to a long term owner who has over 200,000km on his FJR he suggested I try Pilot Road 2 or Pirelli Angel GT tyres. He actually rates the Bridgestone's as his least favorite tyre on the FJR (I already had them fitted before we spoke) He does not like the Metzelers Z8’s either but did not elaborate on them. The BT023 feel terrific when new but after awhile they start to wear they become slower to steer but otherwise I have no issues with them.

Update 2. I set the rear preload lever to firm all the time and this made a noticeable improvement to turn in effort but at the cost of making the ride a little firm on some surfaces. I set the front preload softer then further to as soft as possible, winding the adjuster to the stop to try get the front down and improve turn in and reduce understeer. Next I raised the fork legs in the triple clamps 20mm, I.e. lowered the front ride height which has further sharpened/increased the steering angle. This has made a ‘slight’ difference to turn in effort at lower speed but understeer persists. 

Update 3. Angel GT tyres now fitted. To recap, I got 6000km from the original Metzeler Z8’s. From 5000km they had noticeable scalloping on the front that would make the bike shake under deceleration and I did not like them in the wet either. Next I put Bridgestone BT23’s on which I got 9000km from but with a still some tread left so could manage 10,000+km easy from a set. They performed more consistently than the Z8’s. I have now fitted Pirelli Angel GT tyres and completed a 4 day tour. The initial understeer remains but a secondary minor steering issue that I have not really spoken about has now gone away. This is a higher lean angle overseer I.e. initial turn in on the FJR is very slow and the bike wants to not hold a line on mild curves but as you lean the bike over much more the bike attitude with the Z8 and BT23 tyres was to shift (abruptly) to oversteer where it wants to fall into the curve. (this FJR steering behavior I see was also noted by the editor of AMCN back when the 2006 Gen 2 model was tested, it’s a long wheelbase thing). The Angel GT tyres with their slightly different tyre contact area radius have removed the sudden oversteer and they also are quite good in the wet but they are slower to turn in than the BT23’s.

Update 4. I have further raised the fork legs in the triple clamps to 27mm, I was aiming for 30mm but this is as much as I could get the right hand leg to come up working by myself at home on uneven ground so I set the left side the same. The additional change to the steering angle has achieved nothing much that I can tell and I am not prepared to go further for fear of running out of cornering clearance. Altering the front ride height/steering angle would seem to make little difference to the FJR turn in speed. I was foolishly confident this would help after reading owners forums where slight changes were reported to make the bike ‘too unstable’ which of course turned out to be total nonsense, the turn in speed remains slow. The rear ride height is my next place to try and I have ordered new components to raise the rear. This is my dropped front now.

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Update 5. I have installed new rear ‘dog bones’ links to raise the rear ride height thus further increase the steering angle to thus quicken the turn in. I ordered what was advertised as the 30mm raise links but not sure if I received that or the more popular size of USA imperial 5/8ths which equals 15.875mm. A small difference in length equates to a lot of height or drop vertical so not able to gauge by the part and I did not successfully measure the difference before and after but anyway it should go some way to making a difference and check back here in a few weeks for the results.

A success of sorts. The new dog bone rear links that I confirmed with the supplier to be 30mm raise has really made a difference. With the new links fitted the FJR turns easier than before and feels so much better in the corners. Even with a full tank the steering is improved but once the fuel load drops the bike really tips in easier (for the size bike it is) and feels a very different machine to before. The weight up high is still there and I don’t think it will ever feel as light as a RT on the road but the change from these links is quite dramatic.I cannot really understand why Yamaha would not sell it like this.

I just completed a two week tour and really enjoyed the way the bike rode while the tyres were good. The Pirelli Angel GT tyres unfortunately wore out quite fast, about 6000km the max before they were quite scalloped and made steering heavy. I have 7500km on them now only because I had to get back home and the tyres are completely bald on the sides.

The best way to install the dog bone links is to put the bike on centre stand and loosen the dog bone links then use a jack to lighten the rear wheel from the link pins (not supporting the bike which is on stand just the wheel weight) take the top pin out then remove the shock lower mount pin and rotate the lower link pin forward past stand then remove. On install use the jack to position the wheel at correct height to get top pin back in with new length links.

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Update six - 2016 – Michelin Pilot Road 4 GT tyres just fitted. Also I am trying a 190/55 on the rear. Initial impression is the turn in is much slower and not able to say this is the tyre tread design or the 190. The 190/55 if I believe the owners forums should correct the speedo which is annoyingly 10% under the real speed and the extra height of this tyre should offset the affect of the width. Time will tell…

Righto I can update this now after a 9 day tour on the Michelins. First of all the 190/55 profile does not correct the speedo as reported on the owners forum. Typically the speedo is out about 10% on all digital dash FJRs. Why Yamaha deliberately does this is a mystery, but it is deliberate as they then set the cruise control to maximum 100kph as per the true speed. So i.e. they knowingly sell the FJR with the software that displays the speed altered to display 10% over the true speed. In testing my speedo used to read 108-109kph when doing 100kph and now at the same 108-109kph reading the true speed is 102-103kph so only a slight alteration from the 55 profile.

Wet and very cold these tyres are sensational. But compared to the Angel GT’s the PR4 are slower to turn and has taken the FJR steering backwards wiping out some of the gains I had made in steering improvements. The other issue I have had is the PR4 tyres developed a mild shake of the bars, first just off throttle then also on throttle and then spreading to all speeds even on the highway. I was able to negate the shaking by simply holding the bars but it is a worry. The wheel has not lost it’s balance weights so I will take it to the shop to see what is up with it.

Update seven - the problem is uneven tyre wear and premature failure of the front Pilot Road 4. Nothing can be done except replace the tyre. Seeing how slow they steer I decided to get rid of both of them. The rear had plenty of life left the front after 3000km was already half tread depth on sides like the Pirelli Angel GT’s so very short life span on a FJR and even shorter when one has manufacture problems so never again Michelin tyres for me. 

Below how a 190 looks fitted – don’t do it.

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I now have Bridgestone BT023 R GT tyres fitted. At last the tyres I wanted right from the start as Yamaha reference these for the FJR in the Japanese literature. Naps Yokohama who fitted the 2nd set of tyres, the standard BT023’s tried to tell me this model was not available. Admittedly this could have been lost in translation rather then a lie on their part (although they made a balls up of the service I had them do early this year (2016) not correctly installing the spark plugs or cleaning the air filter so I have zero trust in them now) First ride and the new tyres are a huge improvement over the Michelin Pilot Road 4. Not the shake issue but the turn in and steering is vastly better which makes sense as the steering went slower with the Angel GT’s and slower again with the PR4’s so I have regained two notches of steering improvement with this tyre change and looking forward to updating further on this.

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2015 ownership thoughts.

Well at first I was thinking should I be on something else before I got the bars raised and started to modify things to reduce the understeer. I rode a tour on a Kawasaki Versys 650 in Ireland which had me wondering perhaps I should be on that that sort of machine instead. The adventure/touring bikes are wildly popular now and threaten to kill off the touring models as many touring riders have gone for the ‘Long Way Round’ look, actually many riders that never do more than short day rides are now on GS’s fitted out with gear to ride around the world. However whilst my Versys was lovely in the corners it was far less comfortable elsewhere. 

First of all I was surprised how much the wind buffeting annoyed me (having so easy forgotten the VStrom in New Zealand which drove me mad with turbulence). I rode naked bikes for years but that was local rides on back roads at slow pace with no more than an hour on the freeway and my small Australian tours were always in summer. Here riding in cooler conditions I have gotten used to the superb aero dynamics of the FJR, both the fairing and having an electric screen to deflect the cold but which can be instantly lowered to get air when in traffic. (It also stops the bugs that used to cover me on tour on naked bikes) Then the other amenities, I am using the cruise control to relieve boring or slower traffic roads. With the FJR I do like the comfort of the whole package. 

2016 ownership thourghts.

I have been away riding a Yamaha MT-09 (FZ-09) in New Zealand for a couple of weeks over winter and upon returning decided to get the FJR1300 out and take it for new tyres. Riding my bike to the shop the immediate impression after riding the MT-09 for 9 days was how slow and heavy the steering is, despite all the alterations I have already made it feels huge and clumbersome after the MT-09.

March 2016 I have just completed a 9 day tour on the FJR. This tour was in the cold and I would not have attempted it on a adventure bike like the MT-09 Tracer however by the same token I had a number of times when I cursed how heavy the FJR is. I have focused my touring on wider and less twisty roads the last year to match the FJR and that means leaving out some interesting backroads that are one lane where the FJR is too big. So as I explore Japan more I may reach a point where I want something more versatile to explore the small backroads but that is really a different style of riding to what I mostly enjoy which is flowing easy riding so it is not just if I want to change bikes but also if I want to change the sort of riding I do.

The new 2016 Yamaha FJR has been released with some good changes to lights and clutch but alas is reported to be more heavy. This is a motorcycle that desperately needed to lose weight so it is a shame but I presume with adventure bikes now the main focus little R&D money is going to be spent to revise out of fashion tourers.

If I was able to make changes to the FJR at the factory then I list as follows the things that I would fix.

1. Lower some of the existing weight. A large battery and wire harness do not belong up high in one side of the upper fairing. Extend some of the fuel load lower in the bike, this alone would transform the FJR as I feel a huge change in the way it rides when the fuel drops from full to 3/4 and 1/2 load and moving the battery would go a good way to lowering the high COG. (and then owners could actually access the battery in an emergency too, as it is now nearly impossible)

2. Allow full braking power on the front wheel when the hand brake is operated. This limiting the braking until the rider also operates the foot brake is not only annoying it is stupid and dangerous.

3. Extend the bars up and rearward to position them in a comfortable normal ride position. The FJR is a heavy tourer not a sports bike and it is not a bike desired by young guys so putting a older rider into a forward crouch is pointless.

4. Fix the inaccurate gauges. Who the hell wants a speedo that is deliberately set wrong, I just don’t understand this thinking by Yamaha.

5. Sharpen up the steering, my raised rear ride height is a huge improvement on standard but likely Yamaha could do this more effectively then me.

6. Add seat heating like BMW offers.

Well those are all little or no cost items, if some R&D was available then I would say also make a target to reduce the weight by 20-25kg.

I’ll be on the FJR for at least the 2016 ride season then it comes up for new safety certificate next year having had 3 years from new. At that point I have to make a call on spending the money to get the inspection done to cover two more years and no doubt another set of tyres plus new insurance and new road tax so about $1500 all up perhaps or send it to the auctions at that point and move that money onto something else a bit lighter and smaller. I thought this would be easy choice but I have grown to like many aspects of the FJR so will see how I go. 

40 comments:

  1. Intriguing stuff on the gearbox and Yamaha's 1990's mentality, a sentiment which I can fully subscribe to after having owned a XT660Z Tenere for three years. That bike too had a gearbox that probably has a picture in the dictionary for the term "agricultural". Terribly clunky, esp in first to second. No comparison to other dual sports I have ridden. Reliable bikes, but slick they are not. Now I own a KTM Duke, since I stay mostly on the road, and can say, the attitude in terms of innovation is an eye opener in comparison. Maybe the new MT range is a sign of change for Yamaha.
    Anyways, good review, great stuff in contrast to magazine reviews, which are rubbish most of the time.

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  2. I have a 2014 FJR The putting in gear from stop just pull leaver rev engine a little let it go to idle put in gear you want even feel it on up-shifts just slite pull of leaver and quick shift is smooth full pull and slow shift clunky on down shift make shift the instant your pulling leaver work throttle just like a car seems to work well bike corners well have no chicken strips but seems to drive in hard on downhill at low speed may be me laying on bars to heavy

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  3. You sound like you'd love a honda nc750x.. That is if you can do with the lesser horsepower, no traction control. And accessories that dont come as standard (heated grips,bigger screen, etc) lol

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  4. Mine has a slick shifting box, the clutch seems easy; the brakes don't need much of a pull to get abs activation. Bars are just slightly low and narrow, but work fine. I do not understand any issues you had with any of these. They all seem slick and on par with other modern bikes I've owned.
    The FJR is a dream on sweepers. Words can not describe how well it works between 60 and 130mph. No chicken strips and just a little scrape now and then on the pegs. Until the tires get square. Then it sucks like he said. This is how motorcycles act with square tires.
    I can fit an iPhone (with Otter box) and my wallet (fat with $ not spent on a BMW) in the dash box.
    Battery is in a stupid place, especially regarding the lack of access to it. Completely agree here.
    Vibration is minimal, but you can tell there is an engine running, I guess. You can spin up the rear tire coming off turns before the tc kicks in. Engine is so quiet and smooth you gotta look at the tack to keep if off the rev limiter.
    U turns are about normal for a big sport touring bike. Turns sharper than an r6. No big deal. Works fine.
    You can see the LEDs when the engine is running and lights are on.
    The adjustable fairing deflectors do what they are supposed to do.
    This is a tire shredding bike. But very smooth and docile when trying to act nice. I don't understand how the author had all those issues.

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  5. Excellent real-world review. FJR is one of the top picks to be my ride when I move to Japan, but I haven't ridden one yet. Your description on its "flaws" and its "strengths" are more or less what I was expecting, but the clanky gearbox, unwillingness to change position in-turn and being top-heavy all the time were things I had no idea about.

    The strength of the FJR lies in wide sweepers and highways. I am ok with the first, but I avoid highways all the time. So that probably makes it less suited to my needs.

    I have lately owned a Honda Pan-European, a Honda Crosstourer and a Yamaha Fazer 8. I do prefer touring bikes, but I love riding twisties more than anything else. I think I will have to do with a little less wind / weather protection and go with a Super Tenere or another Honda Crosstourer. I would totally like a BMW GS or RT, but I ride close to 40k kms a year on average, and doubt any boxer will live with me for a long time without any issues.

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    1. It is a good bike but could be made better if they just refreshed it a little. It still would be ideal for somewhere like Australia where I wanted one but they were twice the price. Here so many more roads are tight and twisty than I first imagined and now find the FJR is starting to limit my riding so I am looking at what else might still be good as the FJR at getting me to the riding roads as well as then be fun once there. Tough, maybe impossible to be best of both worlds.

      If money was no option perhaps the new Multistrada now that it has cruise control for the highway. Perhaps the RT1200 but evidence that a boxer can be reliable is lacking and service costs are obscene. Even smaller and lighter would work best once in the mountains here. Things like the Versys 650 and that size would be better fit.

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    2. Özgür Taşkın is going to love the FJR when he gets his as most of the things the reviewer criticise don't even exist except for the shift from neutral into 1st and also the placement access and top heaviness of the battery.
      I am now on my 2nd FJR, I did 156,000km's on my first with no trouble except for a recon on the slave cylinder and have now done 65,000km's on the latest one.
      I am a short 168cm high and 70kg and have no trouble throwing it around in the twisties and having fun with all but the best of the sports bike riders.
      Tires are not a problem and I get 8,000 to 10,000 k's from each set but I wouldn't touch the pilots the reviewer suggests are good as they are the only tyres that have ever given my sphincter a work out.
      Three of the guys I ride with regularly have also had FJR's and also swear by the FJR and we have travelled many 1000's of k's together.
      The one thing I now find a little difficult is the weight of the bike when manoeuvring it around in the garage as I am now in my late 60's and alas am not as strong as I once was.
      But once I get going the bike is as nimble as a child's turning pony.
      I really don't know how this guy can give this much underrated bike such a poor review.
      Oh well I guess we are all different but I would hate to see anyone put off this great bike because of such a well written but misguided review.

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    3. I tend to agree with Ross, and I'm confused by some of the errors in the otherwise honest and we'll written review. The battery cover panel is a pain to remove (until easily modified) on the older models, but on the 2014 model it takes less than two minutes to remove or replace.

      I'm coming from a much larger and heavier Honda GL1800 Gold Wing, and the FJR's weight and handling seem relatively agile to me, so I suspect a lot of what a new rider feels will depend on his previous ride. I've installed the very reasonably priced and easily changed Touring windshield from Yamaha (4" taller, 2" wider, 25% thicker than the original). The wind protection is better, but not as much as I'd hoped. Likewise for the 1" tall handlebar risers, better, but I stll wish the hand grips were a little higher and maybe 2" further back.
      I'm confused by the seat. It feels too firm, yet it always feels comfortable! I get a little butt burn after a few hours, but it goes away quickly once off the bike.
      I can't rate the sporty handling because of my back problem. There's a wide yellow streak running top to bottom. But I will say that I'm more than satisfied, and that describes my feeling about the brakes as well.
      Yeah, the clutch pull is noticeably hard at standstill, but I don't notice it while riding.
      By the way, I'm 68 years old, 6' tall, and weigh 260 lbs. (I quit smoking and quickly gained 55 lbs.!) I like riding fast, but I don't corner fast. To me the engine is nothing short of amazing, so smooth and so strong!
      This 2014 FJR1300. Is my first non-Honda street bike is a very long time, but I was sold by the FJR's standard features (to include it's amazing digital display capabilities!), its reputation for great reliability with minimal maintenance (26,000 mile valve adjustments!), it's overall good looks (very objective, I know), and its huge and loyal fan base.
      While I admire some of the finer characteristics of the BMW's and Ducatis, I am not prepared to spend thousands of dollars and many hours each year to maintain a $25-30,000 motorcycle. Not many bikes are as reliable and trouble free as most Hondas, but the FJR 100 has just such a reputation.
      I don't consider my 2014 FJR1300 the perfect bike, but it has so far proven far more than just satisfactory for my needs and wants. I like it!

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  6. I totally agree with the RT reliability issue, or the lack of evidence at least, and I can't put much faith in Ducati either. I think bikes with cruise controls are usually the biggest bikes available, thus not the most noteworthy when it comes to tight roads. Hence the dilemma.

    I think I will get a SuperTenere or MT-09 Tracer. The first might be marginally better than the FJR in twisties, if any at all, but it is a newer bike with excellent wind protection and cruise control. The latter is everything you (and I) ask for, minus the cruise control.

    If you consider mid-size bikes like Versys, check out the new Tracer. I know what it costs in Japan, and it's simply a steal to be honest.

    PS: I am amazed how much information you have available on your blog. Inspirational, thank you so much.

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    1. You might be right about the Tracer. Never really noticed it before but same price as a new Versys around 1 million Yen it seems a lot more bike for the money.

      I have not given up on the FJR completely yet. Being based in Nagoya there was countless good roads within reach same day. But now based near Tokyo there is limited same day riding options and long haul to get to the better riding areas. I also love the full electric screen and wind protection which extends the ride season into otherwise too cold weather.

      Lots for me to consider yet.

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  7. I bought a 2006 FJR about two weeks ago, looking for a bit more sporty than the 2004 Kawi Vulcan Nomad 1500 I was riding. The first thing I noticed was the very heavy clutch pull, much more than the Nomad, which also has a hydro clutch. Haven't had any long sweepers yet, but the Yami felt pretty good on the tame hill roads around here. The first thing I want to get is a set of HeliBars. I'll ride it for a while, and then re-evaluate.

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    1. Hope you have been able to get it working for you.

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  8. Mate - Brilliant Review - Thanks for that. Am an Australian - lots of long long straight roads you have to cover to get to the good bits - perfect bike for both although great everyday around town bike as well. I wonder what the racing boys are up to in Australia - naked bikes isolate you here - OK for a blast on the weekend but not to travel. Australian car drivers are not like the Europeans...they are not 'drivers' - very few manual cars - and there are not so many motorbikes so they do not 'think bike'. The power (in any gear) and size of the FJR allows you to be seen (presence) and escape other people's mistakes - essential when there are so many distracted 4WDrivers on the road on their mobile phones. FJR is bullet proof for long term ownership/everyday bike/touring continent. Expensive here but BMW alternatives even more expensive and the servicing (say no more). You can service the FJR yourself. Thoroughly recommended. Used to own Harleys - the engineering alone was reason enough to go back to a Yamaha although the truth is that the 'posing' element of Harleys (HOG felt like an excuse to dress-up for adults) just isn't some people's (my) thing.

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    1. Thanks (and sorry to anyone for late replies to the feedback here but I was getting some hate mail for while haha). Yes that is a good point that the bike has road presence, even in the grey that mine is people seem to notice it.

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  9. You sound like you'd love a honda nc750x.. That is if you can do with the lesser horsepower, no traction control. And accessories that dont come as standard (heated grips,bigger screen, etc)

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    1. Thanks yes I did consider one. The power of the NC is ample for me but with the cold weather here I prefer a full fairing.

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  10. Just an update to all the above. Thanks for the constructive comments. I have chosen not to debate with owners as serves no purpose since they would likely argue it was the greatest even if it had square wheels. No motorcycle that I know has such one eyed followers. What you don't see here is the comments I did not publish from the truly fanatical who were abusive and threatening. Folks it's just a motorcycle. It has some good points but I think needs a few updates. Nothing you say is likely to alter that and no threats from extremists will limit my freedom of expression.

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  11. First , a great blog. Tyres or wheel alignment may be the issue on your bike. Mine has very good turn in if i keep front tyre pressure at 42psi,"fall in" cornering below 38 psi. Also my tyres (dunlop sportmax) have worn evenly and are still road legal with 16,000km on them ( rear is due though.) Regards David.

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    1. Thanks David. I think I have the understeer reduced now that I raised the rear. I have been inflating to 42psi. I wore out a set of Sportmax tyres on a Kawasaki 750 in Australia in very short time however I will ask about them and their Road Smart tyres too because it certainly is a bike that needs rubber that wears very consistent throughout the radius.

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  12. Lots of good points from both the author and the "comments". I currently have a 2014 FJR ES and I think it handles quite well for a big bike in the tight stuff. I had a 2013 with the non adjustable suspension for a year and was able to "trade up" for pennies to I did and the difference in turn it is very noticeable. I'm 55 years old and while I can still get after it in the turns (I'm no Rossi) but coming off a 2011 Multistrada I ride this as fast thru my usual roads. Sure the Ducati was/is a fun bike with a lot good things but it will cost you a bunch of money and time and it is in no way as smooth and comfortable for long distance touring. I sold it for an FJR and have not regretted it. Sure the new RT is a fine bike. I have a friend who has a brand new one. He paid twice (US) than I did for my slightly used FJR and the service will be way more and more frequent. I'm convinced that the RT is probably easier to flick thru the turns ( even tho that fairing looks like a spinnaker) but that boxer motor just does nothing for me. To each his own..

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    1. Yes I didn't like the boxer twin engine much. My favourite engine ever is probably the Suzuki 1250 used in the Bandit. Less horse power than the FJR's engine but much more torque. You could forget to change down and leave the lights in 3rd and totally not realise it yet still enjoy that inline four wind up when on the right bit of road. Now if only I could get Suzuki to build a touring bike around it.

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  13. After reading your suspension comments and how you changed out the dog bones to cure your handling woes, I was wondering if you reverted back to the factory settings for your front forks ride height, rear shock stiffness settings and riser plate and just changed out the dog bones? I have a 2011 model not so entirely different from yours but I also notice a heavy front steering that I would like to make better. Thanks...

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    1. I have returned my pre load settings to standard but have left the front forks raised in the triple clamps. I have not had any problems with ground clearance with the front lowered so am going to leave it as is for now.

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  14. Amazing review, thank you so much for the time and effort to share your observations. Did you ever notice rapid coolant temperature changes on the temperature Guage? I am being told this is normal. 210F to 135F to 154F all in the space of 5 Seconds. Yamaha is telling me that all the new FJR's do this as they relocated the sensor up by the thermostat.

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    1. No I have not seen my temperature fluctuate rapidly. In traffic jams it will go up but hit a maximum and then soon as rolling again it falls down to normal in short amount of time.

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  15. Wish I had come across this article before purchasing my '14. The FJR forum, although helpful in many ways, minimizes the top heavy aspect of the bike. Before purchase, I had sat on FJR's at various shows. Doing the tilt while seated, I had no sense of what was to come. The lure of the bike, as you stated, is a whole lot of features for a reasonable price. Agree totally that all its pluses, shaft, cruise, grips, elec windshield, power, and what I consider positive handling above walking speed, all eliminate one's choice to a very limited selection.
    Purchased the bike March, '15. PA to SF and back with meandering both ways. The drama began at my first nights stop. Tip over in the motel lot! From there it was trepidation and two more (one, the kickstand slinky spring let the bike roll at a gas stop) tip overs and the consternation was permanent. Just rode PA to Austin and must say, I have no more confidence at walking speed to a stop. Traffic jams and campground maneuvering are susceptible an issue I'm thinking of bailing out on what I thought would be the nicest bike I've ever owned.

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    1. I am sure you will get used to the weight with a little time but I know how you must feel. Within first few rides I had mine fall over when trying to do a walking pace U turn on a narrow road. I know it can be done as I see the Japanese Police put these bikes through those gymkhana courses but the long wheel base and weight caught me out. Now I keep both feet firmly on ground for all walking speed type manoeuvres. If you raise the forks in the triple clamps an inch that will get your feet on the ground better and improve it's turning.

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  16. Hello

    Decided on a new bike yet? I am trying to decide myself. I live in hot Houston with mostly straight, flat, high speed roads.

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  17. P.S. Great write up by the way. Very helpful. I did test drive an FJR and did notice the slow steering. I want a fun bike with wind protection that is reliable. Does such a bike exist? I saw review comments that the Yamaha FJ-09 was fun but was noisy from the wind and had so so wind protection.

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    1. There is no light or small touring bikes with good wind protection being built at the moment. The only choice is either heavy tourer or the adventure bikes. I want something lighter but I ride in cold temperatures so really best compromise for me might be a R1200RT but still much bigger than I want. Engine wise 700cc would be ample for me so I may still end up moving to something like the new MT-07.

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  18. Really entertaining and informative. I'm currently on a 2014 Vstrom here in the U.S., an even though I've toured on it, it is the real mile munched I'm craving. Previous big mileages rides have always been Toad Kings, but the heat, tech, and "lifestyle" always turn me off. Would love a new BMW R1200RS, but they're rare, and easily $4,000 U.S. more than new FJRs.
    Looking at left over 2015s and used 2013 FJR.

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    1. Long stretch to the bars compared to Vstrom. If buying something at the moment I'd probably look at the last air cooled R1200RT models 2012-2013 which have significant weight saving over the FJR and have come down well in price but would want a good warranty in place which may be hard to find. Nobody is making a proper tourer that is not overly large or heavy. Was wishing Yamaha to modernise the FJR and put it on diet but 2016 model very heavy.

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    2. After sitting on a few sland riding a 2013, I ruled out the FJR as a next bike. I was getting really comfortable with the V-Strom, then an ad for a KTM 1290 SA flashed before my eyes! A couple hours on it and I was convinced I'd found "the" bike.
      While waiting on papers work and details to get settled, I made the mistake of testing a new R1200GS. The GS has been at the top of my list for 20 years.
      So, this morning I finally brought the dream bike home. 200 miles on it this afternoon, and I have w 300 mile route planned for tomorrow.
      I can't believe I waited this long.

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    3. Congrats on the new bike. I like the GS, nice neutral handling, alas the cold weather here has me looking for full fairing but this really eliminates so many bikes that otherwise would suit me well. Fairly certain 2016 will be my last season on the FJR but still have nothing in mind to replace it. Has to be a little smaller and a little lighter so I can explore more of the back roads here.

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  19. How would one get a warranty on a 2012-13 R1200RT?

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    1. I see some this age advertised as "BMW Premium Certified" with warranty. That would be supplied by the BMW dealer I presume. Red Baron motorcycle dealer group here have their own warranty plans for used bikes but they are not BMW dealers. I would want a longer more comprehensive warranty if buying a BMW boxer. Perhaps something closer to what is offered by the Car Max group in the USA on used vehicles. Not sure if that exists here so for now I am still on the FJR and just looking at things like the RT and waiting.

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  20. I'm 6'2" with a 36" inseam. Long arms, so don't mind to much reach. Life-long runner, so I need to stretch my knees, hence the comfort of the Harley touring bikes, like the Road King. The 2009-2013 plastic in the RT cuts into my shins, the cylinder heads have always been an issue for me, going back to an R90/6 I rode 20+ years ago.
    I'm leaning towards to FJR BECAUSE of the BMW reliability issues, which is why anew R1200RS appealing, warranty.

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    1. Yep the reliability was something that swayed me to the FJR. Been looking at RT's recently again but would need a long comprehensive used vehicle warranty. Unlikely I will go to that brand, just poking around bike shops. Tyre kicking I think is the term.
      The weather here really dictates what sort of bike I ride. If I was to move back to my home town in Australia where it is hot and sunny year round I could consider anything but here where summer is monsoon I only have cool to cold weather to ride and that may keep me on the FJR.

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  21. Very good review love your point of view, I have the same year FJR that you have and also an 04 Suzuki Bandit GS1200. it's night and day riding between the two, But I haven't experience any of the problem you mention. My commute to work is 102 miles round trip. Now I do live in Southern Calif., So our road may not be as tight as where you are. I have a question regarding your P4 tires, I just put a set on FJR, and my Bandit. On the bandit it boost my riding confidence. Not so much on the FJR. I love my FJR I can keep up with and sport bike, and cruise all day long. Recently when up to Big Sur, on HWY 1, she handle like a dream. Now I will be 6 decades next year so dragging my knee has long gone for me. Not sure what you mean when you say the FJR can't hold a line?

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    1. You have many beautiful roads there in California. I rode hwy 1 and other parts of California on a R1200RT and when I come back next year I'd love to have a FJR for my tour. Here things are very different, one lane switchback roads. The Angel GT's worked nice on the FJR for confidence but lifespan was low.

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